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Info-Kermit Digest         Mon, 6 Nov 1989        Volume 10 : Number 4

Departments:

  ANNOUNCEMENTS -
        Announcing IBM Mainframe MVS/TSO Kermit-370 Version 4.1.005
        Announcing Apple II Kermit Version 3.86
        Announcing Kermit-12 Version 10f
        Minor Release of Commodore Kermit

  KERMIT PROTOCOL -
        Proposed Modification to "Set Warning"

  MOS-DOS KERMIT -
        MS-DOS Printer Drivers Needed
        MS-DOS Kermit Losing Characters at 19200 bps
        MS-DOS Kermit Losing Characters with KEYB Drivers

  MISCELLANY -
        Kermit over Ethernet
        Kermit File Transfers on DECstation 3100
        Problems with Kermit for the DECsystem-10
        DECsystem-10 Kermit Macro Source Problem
        Kermit Bootstrapping

Digest submissions may be sent to [e-mail], requests
for addition to or deletion from the Info-Kermit subscriber list to
[e-mail] or to [e-mail].

Kermit files may be obtained over networks and by mail order.  On the
Internetwork, use FTP to log in to host WATSUN, WATSUN.CC.COLUMBIA.EDU, a
SUN-4/280 running UNIX (SUNOS 4.0), IP host number 128.59,39.2.
128.59.40.130.  Login as user anonymous (note, lower case), any password, and
GET or MGET the desired files.  The Kermit files are in directories kermit/a,
kermit/b, kermit/c, kermit/d, and kermit/e.  You can also get Kermit files
over BITNET/EARN; to get started send a message with text HELP to KERMSRV, the
Kermit file server, at host CUVMA.  For detailed instructions, read the file
kermit/a/aanetw.hlp (AANETW.HLP on KERMSRV).  To order by mail, request a
complete list of Kermit versions and an order form from Kermit Distribution,
Columbia University Center for Computing Activities, 612 West 115th Street,
New York, NY 10025 USA.

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Date: Wed, 1989 Oct 11   20:44 EDT
From: "John F. Chandler"   <[e-mail]>
Subject: Announcing IBM Mainframe MVS/TSO Kermit-370 Version 4.1.005
Keywords: IBM 370 Kermit, MVS/TSO Kermit, TSO Kermit

This is to announce the release of Kermit-370 version 4.1.005 for TSO.
This version is comparable to the recently released 4.1.005 for CMS.
Version 4.1.005 has several improvements over 4.1.004.

 1. The common storage has been rearranged slightly to remain within
    the 4K addressibility limit.

 2. A new, separate error condition is recognized when Kermit-TSO
    receives a "packet" containing no start-of-packet character.  The
    old response was the somewhat misleading "Bad packet count or
    checksum."

 3. There is now provision for an accounting exit routine to be called
    after completion of each batch of SEND or RECEIVE.  A sample routine
    is available as IKCACT ASM (for CMS) and may be adapted to specific
    needs.  Since the exit routine is optional, you must explicitly load
    it with Kermit in the linkage editor.  The appropriate JCL has been
    added to (but commented out) the installation job in IKTKER.INS.

 4. The installation batch job has also been updated to include the REUS
    option on the LKED step, so that TTY-mode timeouts will work on
    MVS/XA systems.  Also, conditional execution is now specified on the
    assembly and link-editing steps to minimize the repercussions of any
    errors in setting up the job.

 5. Perhaps most interestingly, Kermit-TSO now recognizes a syntax for
    sending partial files by line numbers.  The syntax is

         SEND filespec<n-m>

    where "filespec" is any valid file specification, "n" is the first
    line to send, and "m" is the last.  There must be no blank between
    the file name and the "<".  Either "n" or "m" may be omitted (the
    default is the start or end of the file, respectively), and the
    hyphen may be left off as well if "m" is omitted.  The same syntax
    may be used in a GET request (or, in many cases, a REMOTE TYPE
    request) through a micro Kermit talking to a Kermit-TSO server.

Many thanks to the beta-testers, who put the new version through its
paces and helped in identifying weaknesses in the implementation.
There are two updates that were not included in this release because
of inconclusive test results.  The first was designed to correct the
problem of Kermit failing to executed a migrated KERMINI file, and
the second to enable Kermit to recognize dataset modification dates
maintained by the ASM2 package.  Anyone interested in testing these
should send a note to John Chandler <[e-mail]>.

[Ed. - And many thanks to you, John!  The new files are installed in
the Kermit Distribution "B" area, kermit/b/ikt* on watsun for
anonymous ftp access, and on KERMSRV@CUVMA as IKT* * for BITNET access.]

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Date: Tue Oct 31 19:04:55 1989
From: Christine M Gianone <[e-mail]>
Subject: Announcing Apple II Kermit Version 3.86
Keywords: Apple II Kermit 3.86, ProDOS

This is to announce Apple II Kermit Version 3.86 for Apple II DOS and ProDOS,
which replaces version 3.85 of January 1989, from Ted Medin,
[e-mail].  The major changes include:

   1. ProDos QUIT is fixed
   2. VT-100 emulation bug fixes
   3. The program now works on the Apple//c+ now works
   4. Blinking cursor when connected
   5. Connect escape menu now has MODEM and QUIT added
   6. Better handling of illegal characters in received filenames
   7. Wildcard file transfer SEND no longer misses files
   8. New installation procedure
   9. New Apple Cat serial card driver
  10. New file management commands LOCK, UNLOCK, and RENAME added
  11. GET & SEND commands now allow two filespecs so one can change the name
  12. Revised documentation, available in both ASCII and Postcript form

The changes are listed in more detail in the file APPAAA.NEW, along with
credits to those who supplied new code, reported bugs, and so forth, including
Ralph Carpenter, Les Ferch, Steve Kunz, Klaus Schnathmeier, and Dick Wotiz.

The new files are in app*.* in the various Kermit Distribution "A" areas, and
can be ordered on Kermit Tape A.  Many thanks to Ted for his continued efforts
in developing and supporting this program.

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Date: 05-October-1989
From: [e-mail] (Charles Lasner)
Subject: Announcing Kermit-12 Version 10f
Keywords: PDP-8, PDP-12, VT-78, VT-278, DECmate, OS/8
Xref: DEC PDP, See PDP

This is to announce the release and availability of a highly revamped KERMIT
program for the complete family of Digital Equipment Corporation 12-bit
computers, known as KERMIT-12 (or K12MIT), Ver.  10f.  Unlike its
predecessors (K08MIT and K278, upon which it is partially based, as well as
prior versions of KERMIT-12), KERMIT-12, as now distributed, will run on any
PDP-8 model (8, Linc-8, 8/i, 8/l, 8/e, 8/f, 8/m, 8/a), PDP-12, VT-78, or
DECmate (VT-278, aka DECmate I, DECmate II, DECmate III, DECmate III-plus)
under any OS/8 family member operating system.  Proper operation is
accomplished automatically.  Companion utilities are provided to deal with
"ASCII-fied" binary files in ENCODE format (a mechanism designed by Charles
Lasner and Frank da Cruz as a proposed successor to BOO format); ENCODE
format has been employed to distribute the binary portion of this release of
KERMIT-12.

Due to the myriad port requirements of the various models, conditional
parameters have been provided in the source (as well as a separate patching
file) for models prior to DECmate I.  The program auto-configures for all
models of DECmate; parameters are available to select the DECmate ports
(DP278, communications, printer, etc.)  where applicable.

Many improvements have been provided to get this KERMIT "up to speed"
relative to other KERMITs.  KERMIT-12 has been tested successfully with many
KERMIT implementations and will run at the maximum baud rate (and sometimes
beyond the DEC-stated limit!) of the relevant interface.  Any console
terminal configuration acceptable to OS/8, etc. can be used at any baud rate
as long as local flow-control protocol is obeyed; remote flow control can be
disabled at console speeds higher than the remote line rate.  Connect mode
I/O is fully ring-buffered in all directions with local flow control always
enabled for all console terminal operations.  (This should satisfy all
console terminal requirements ranging from 110-baud teletypes to built-in
350-Kbaud VT-220 emulators, since any of the gamut of these ASCII terminals
could be the system console terminal for any of the KERMIT-12 supported
computer configurations!).

KERMIT-12 will run anywhere OS/8 does, so it runs on any perfect look-alike
suitably configured.  Some known compatibles are:

 - TPA made in Hungary, this machine is an 8/l except for the silkscreened
   letters which are Magyar, not English.
 - Fabritek MP-12
 - Intersil Intercept
 - Pacific CyberMetrix PCM-12
 - Digital Computer Controls DCC-112 and DCC-112H
 - Computer Extensions CPU-8 (a drop-in replacement for the 8/e or 8/a cpu
   for a PDP-8/A-400 or -600 hex-wide box)
 - Computer Extensions SBC-8 (a single-board computer -8 compatible based
   on the 6120 like a DECmate, but compatible with -8 peripherals, not
   DECmate peripherals; it also supports up to 16 comm ports)

Various emulators are available for PDP-10, 15 and the IBM-PC which will
also support KERMIT-12 if suitably configured.

Distribution files are available from CUCCA.  Testing is under way for some
of the more obscure configurations (e.g., DECmate III with comm port);
volunteers are welcome for this task.  The author can provide copies to
interested parties on virtually all of the popular PDP-8 media on a
time-available basis.

[Ed. - Many thanks, Charles!  The files are in Kermit Distribution area D
with prefix K12, and the previous PDP-8 versions having prefixes K08 and
K278 have been retired.  Internet users may ftp the files as kermit/d/k12*,
and BITNET users can get them from KERMSRV at CUVMA as K12* *.]

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Date: Thu, 10 Aug 89 17:47:01 EST
From: [e-mail] (Ray Moody)
Subject: Minor Release of Commodore Kermit
Keywords: Commodore 64 Kermit

Commodore Kermit has been upgraded from version 2.2(70) to 2.2(73).  We have
decided to only increment the minor revision number because we have only
changed three bytes!  One byte fixes a bug in the parser that caused it to
claim that a valid command was unrecognizable when ESC was pushed.  Another
byte fixes a timing problem where some C64s would not be able to operate
with some 1200 baud modems.  (And, of course, this bug never happens on a
C128 running in C64 compatibility mode, which I used to test things.  Sigh).
The third byte changes the minor revision number to 73.

If you have Commodore Kermit 2.2(70), you can upgrade without downloading
anything as follows:

    1. Turn on/reset machine (into C-64 mode if on a C-128).

    2. Type: LOAD "KERMIT",8

    3. Type: POKE 3393,32
             POKE 19930,51
             POKE 26539,29

    4. Type: SAVE "@0:KERMIT",8

Ray

[Ed. - Thanks Ray.  The updated source and hex files have now replaced the
old ones in the Kermit Distribution "A" areas on watsun and CUVMA.
Commodore 64/128 Kermit files are prefixed as C64*.*.]

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Date: Thu, 12 Oct 89 16:07:38 -0500
From: Gregg Wonderly <[e-mail]>
Subject: Proposed Modification to "Set Warning"
Keywords: Kermit Protocol, WARNING

I would like to propose that the "set warning" command be phased out in
favor of a new set of commands, namely the commands:

        set file exists replace
        set file exists rename
        set file exists skip
        set file exists ask

These commands would be added to kermit implementations wishing to have all
of these features.  The first two eliminate the need for "set file warning"
(which is not really a warning).

The behavior of the first two are equivalent to "set file warning off" and
"set file warning on" respectively.  The second two would extend KERMIT in
the following way.

When "set file exists skip" is in effect, the KERMIT requesting a file via a
GET or RECEIVE would answer the "F" packet with an "X" packet when the file
specified in the "F" packet already exists on the requesting machine.  It
would then move to a state which would ignore subsequent "D" packets thus
throwing away the file if the sending KERMIT did not understand "file
cancel" (the worse case which would only happen in very limited KERMITS).
This would allow a GET command involving wild cards to be restarted at the
point that it failed due to transmission failures.

When "set file exists ask" is in effect, the above behavior is controlled by
the answer to a prompt that is issued to the user.  A positive
acknowledgement (perhaps just pressing the y key or y and return) would
cause the file to be transfered, and negative acknowledgement from the user
would cause the file to be "skipped".  Of course the prompt could ask the
question in such a way as to reverse this logic.

I have implemented this in C-Kermit with no real problems.  It comes in very
handy for the case that I described above with wild cards.

Comments?

[e-mail]  (AT&T Bell Laboratories, or ihlpb!gregg)

[Ed. - Good ideas, Gregg.  We've actually been considering adding them, in
some form, to the protocol for some time.  In fact, you may have noticed
something called SET FILE SUPERSEDE in the Kermit book.  But better to combine
all this behavior within a single SET FILE command as you suggest.  Look for a
proposal in the next Info-Kermit.]

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Date: Mon Nov  6 16:12:36 1989
From: Christine M Gianone <[e-mail]>
Subject: MS-DOS Printer Drivers Needed
Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit Printer Support

For inclusion with MS-DOS Kermit 3.0, to be announced for beta testing
within about a month, we need public domain (or copyright but freely
sharable, like Kermit itself) printer drivers:

 - A serial printer driver that does Xon/Xoff flow control with the printer.

 - Graphics printer drivers that will reproduce Kermit's Tektronix
   graphics screens on various kinds of printers (we currently have
   one of these, for the EGA/Epson combination).

 - Text printer drivers that convert between IBM PC special characters in
   various code pages (particularly the European accented vowels, etc) and
   the character sets of various printers (like Epson, etc).

If you have any programs like this and can contribute them in source-code
form, please contact me directly.  Thank you.

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Date: Friday, 17 February 1989  04:33-MST
From: enea!kullmar!pkmab![e-mail] (Kristoffer Eriksson)
Subject: MS-DOS Kermit Losing Characters at 19200 bps
Keywords: MS-DOS Kermit Performance

In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail]
(Clarence Dold) writes:
> From article <[e-mail]>, by [e-mail] (Kristoffer Eriksson):
>> When I use MS-kermit (ver 2.3*) at 19200 bps on an ALR 386/220 or at
>> 9600 bps on a Compaq Deskpro 286, and type anything at the same time
>> as I receive something, kermit beeps at me and loses received characters.
>
> If you are running UNIX, make sure that stty -a returns ixon ixoff -ixany.
> The default on our systems is -ixoff ixany, the result being that
> when Kermit gives an XOFF, your next keystroke is seen as IXANY, and turns
> the flow back on.

My principal use of MS-Kermit is indeed for connecting to UNIX systems. And
indeed I usually use ixon -ixoff ixany. But I've tried your advice now, and it
didn't help at all.

I made some more extensive tests, and found that Kermit starts beeping and
losing characters almost immediately when I type anything while output is
going on to the screen, but starts emitting xoff's much later. (I do have flow
control set to xon/xoff in Kermit.)

I even lose characters when there are less-than-one-line bursts of output
with pauses in between (and I type heavily), in which case Kermit couldn't
possibly need flow control.

The problem occurs when I use 19200baud on a 24 * 80 screen.  It also occurs
when I use kermit at 9600 on a 24 * 132 screen.

In Tektronix mode, no UART overruns occur, indicating that Kermit can handle
these high speeds with flow control.

My diagnosis was more or less confirmed when I tried to use Procomm 2.4.2.
Same problem there.

Casper H.S. Dik
University of Amsterdam     |                 [e-mail]
The Netherlands             |                 ...!uunet!mcvax!uva!dik

[From jrd - The real problem is the keyboard code in the Bios (plus any
interceptors) which is turning off interrupts far too long on each
keystroke.  Look for electronic keyclickers and shut them off completely. My
early model DELL 310 has such and loses characters.  The beep is my
indication that one or more characters have arrived at the serial port with
none being removed, an overrun condition; beep replaces the lost
character(s). With key clicking off there is no problem operating at very
high speeds (> 38400 baud).]

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Date: Tuesday, 21 February 1989  14:57-MST
From: mcvax!kth!enea!kullmar!pkmab![e-mail] (Kristoffer Eriksson)
Subject: MS-DOS Kermit Losing Characters with KEYB Drivers
Keywords: MS-DOS KEYB Drivers

I have discovered that this character-loss problem occurs when I use a KEYB
to remap the keyboard layout for our national requirements.  When I use
plain US keyboard layout, Kermit doesn't beep, and doesn't lose characters.

I usually use the Swedish layout (obviously because I live in Sweden, and
have Swedish key-caps).  The command is KEYB SV (except for directory
names), and I use MSDOS 3.30.  I've also tried the UK layout.  It had the
same problem.  The US layout on the other hand, works fine, and it doesn't
matter how I get to it. I can switch to it by hitting CTRL-ALT-F1, or load
it with the command KEYB US, och just not load the Swedish layout.

Does anyone know why KEYB has this undesirable effect?

I still think that not even all users that do use KEYB have this problem.
Why? Are they just fortunate enough to have a 16550 on their serial port?
(That is not likely, I think.)

Kristoffer Eriksson, Peridot Konsult AB, Hagagatan 6, S-703 40 Oerebro, Sweden
Phone: [phone]   !  e-mail: [e-mail]
Fax:   [phone]   !  or      ...{uunet,mcvax}!enea!kullmar!pkmab!ske

[From jrd - Yes, the keyboard helpers of DOS have code which turns off
interrupts for very long intervals, for each keystroke. The effect has been
noted in a number of countries.  Reports from the UK indicate that some
vendors are providing improved helpers which eliminate the problem.  There is
no clear reason why that code needs to turn off interrupts at all, and the
same code has probably been used in all the CodePage keyboard routines.]

[Ed. - There must be something different between the USA and Sweden.  If we
give the DOS command KEYB SV,850 on US-model PC/ATs or PS/2s running DOS
3.30, Kermit 2.32/A works perfectly.  So perhaps Swedish DOS is not the same
as USA DOS???]

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Date: Fri, 6 Oct 89 11:33 EDT
From: "Vivek Khindria HSC-2D2 x2676 C.S.U." <[e-mail]>
Subject: Kermit over Ethernet
Keywords: Ethernet, MS-DOS Kermit Network Support

We use a package from Beame and Whiteside (Canadian) that allows serial
communication to be redirected across Ethernet via TCP/IP.  One version
works with any serial communication package.  But you need to put a loopback
plug on the serial port.  The other version of this software works the
communication packages that use INT14.  The workstation need not even have a
serial port.

The program will respond to all HAYES commands...ATH...ATZ etc..  We are
very happy with this package.  If you need more info send me an email note.

Vivek [e-mail]
Faculty of Health Sciences
McMaster University
Hamilton, Ontario Canada

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Date: 1 Sep 89 18:39:14 GMT
From: [e-mail] (Ravindran Ramachandran)
Subject: Kermit File Transfers on DECstation 3100
Keywords: C-Kermit for DECstation 3100, DECstation

Has anyone got C-Kermit running on a DecStation 3100, and been able to send
very large files from a PC connected to a DecServer port?  Or even a Mac on
the DecServer line?  I've been struggling with it for a while now. I'm able
to send to my VMS machine without any trouble, but the RISC/ULTRIX combination
keeps getting timed out.  I used the Kermit from Columbia, and did a 'make
bsd' to get my executables.

I am able to send files from my DecStations to the PC, but not the reverse.
Could this be because the RISC machines are much faster? Is there any way
to control this? The message that I get when it times out is,
Unable to receive an acknowledgment from the host

 -- Ravi.

[Ed. - The problem is most likely in your DECserver.  You may have to
configure it so that its input and output buffers are BOTH big enough to
hold the largest Kermit packets you are trying to send.  100 would be a good
number, use a bigger number if you are using long packets.  You should also
try to vary the flow control settings (Xon/Xoff -- turn it off if it is on,
or vice versa).  Most people have reported success with C-Kermit on the new
DECstations, but that has been with the new, as-yet-unreleased version that
you can find in ~kermit/test on watsun.]

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Date: 09/26 23:57:35
From: Mike Freeman
Subject:  Problems with Kermit for the DECsystem-10
Keywords: DECsystem-10 Kermit

PROBLEM:
    .SET WATCH FILES

    .R KERMIT

    [FL21: DSKD0:KERMIT.INI[5,34]]
    [FL21: DSKE0:KERMIT.INI[10,50]]
    ?
    ?Illegal UUO at user PC 434262
    .
DIAGNOSIS:  The fix in K10MIT.BWR for the problem encountered when TAKEing
files after INI:KERMIT.INI has been read but no KERMIT.INI exists in the
user's PPN caused Kermit to become confused when a KERMIT.INI
*did* exist in the user's PPN after INI:KERMIT.INI had been read.

CURE:  (see K10MIT.BWR)

PROBLEM: When Parity is set to None and the Block-check-type is set to
3-Character-CRC-CCITT, binary file transfers between Kermit-10 and Kermit
running on microcomputers either fail or are incorrect.

DIAGNOSIS: In the module K10MSG.BLI, in the routine CALC_BLOCK_CHECK which
calculates the block-check for a character-string, in the code for THE case
in which the 3-Character-CRC-CCITT is used, there is an IF-clause which
specifies the circumstances in which only seven bits of each eight-bit
character are to be used in the Block-check calculation.  As distributed,
high-order bits of characters are to be ignored when Parity None is in
effect.  This is incorrect.  The high-order bit of each character should be
ignored when Parity is set to anything but None.

CURE:  In the module K10MSG.BLI, in the routine CALC_BLOCK_CHECK,
in the 3-Character case, change the EQL in the IF-clause to a
NEQ.  (see K10MIT.BWR)

Please return mail to me via <[e-mail]>
with the subject "dec10%bpa".

Mike Freeman, Bonneville Power Administration
Vancouver WA, Telephone [phone]

[Ed. - Thanks, Mike.  The full text of your message, and the FILCOMs (diffs)
have been added to the file K10MIT.BWR in the Kermit Distribution "B" areas.]

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Date:     Thu, 12 Oct 89  09:58:59  EDT
From: "C. BACON" <[e-mail]>
Subject:  DECsystem-10 Kermit Macro Source Problem
Keywords: DECsystem-10 Kermit

At some point, K10MIT.MAC apparently went through a filter someplace which
wrapped lines to about 80 characters, apparently always at a "grammatically
acceptable" character position, like a space or punctuation.  The result was
a field day for MACRO-10's error reporter.

A very few of these wraps were of strings which didn't raise an error,
including at least one "(-1)" which was at the end of a macro invocation.

I can easily find all those which raised assembler errors, but I don't know
about some which might not.

The funny part is that I have discovered some lines > 80 characters long; I
wonder if they were added after the wrap disaster.  If so, that would
suggest modifications to the code were made without the result being
completely recompiled!!

Of course I thank everyone concerned, yourself, Dan Norstedt, and the Kermit
project at CUCCA, for helping us keep the DECsystem-10 people happy.  More
later...  If I can get K10 built, should I send K10MIT.MAC and any others
which appear to have been similarly wrapped?  Of course I'll send them by
Unix mail, not Bitnet!

Chuck Bacon, aka CRB@NIHCUDEC or [e-mail]

[Ed. - Chuck, by all means try to put together a working version.  Also,
note the message immediately above.]

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Date: Wed, 11 Oct 89 17:44:47 GMT
From: kodak!ektools!kadsma![e-mail] (Bill Fuller)
Subject: Kermit Bootstrapping

I have been told that there is a small program that you can type in on a
system that will allow you to asynch over a full version of Kermit.  Has
anyone heard of this micro-kermit code?  If so, does anyone know where I
could get it?  Thanks in advance,

Bill Fuller

[Ed. - The Kermit book, pp.186-188, lists a "baby Kermit" program in BASIC
for the IBM PC, which you can type in.  For raw capture without protocol,
you can use methods that are listed or described in many places, depending
upon what kind of computer you have.  For example, the procedure for CP/M
is given in detail in the CP/M Kermit User Guide.]

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